Colorado vs California - Where would you live?

Colorado and California both look like the “best place to live” from a distance, but the truth shows up in the small stuff: how often you sit in traffic, whether you can find parking, how far you drive to hike, and what it costs to do the fun things more than once. We’ve lived in both, so we put the hype aside and compare them the way real people experience them day to day.

We start in Colorado, from the Mountain Time Zone confusion to the big reasons people fall for it: huge skies, low humidity, 300+ days of sunshine, and outdoor access that feels almost unfair. We talk Denver life, the sports and concert scene, why Red Rocks Amphitheatre is as iconic as people say, and the realities of Rocky Mountain skiing prices and pass culture. We also get honest about trade-offs like limited lakes, higher costs in popular pockets, and the social and political tensions you still have to live with.

Then we shift to California, from Southern California beaches to the Bay Area’s fog belt and microclimates. We dig into what makes the state so magnetic: diversity, industries and jobs, biking and hiking options, Tahoe and Mammoth skiing, and that unmistakable coastline energy. And we don’t dodge the hard parts: crowds, parking fees, expensive meals, high gas prices, and rising concerns about crime in places like San Francisco. By the end, we’re weighing it all, including how family proximity can change the “best” answer and even make Hawaii part of the equation.

If you’re planning a move, building a travel list, or just love smart state-to-state comparisons, listen through and tell us where you land. Subscribe, share with a friend debating a relocation, and leave a review with your pick: Colorado or California?

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Transcript

Why Colorado Confuses People<br>

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Okay, let's go on to California versus Colorado, because we lived in both. Let's kick off with Colorado, because I think a lot of my European lists are like not sure where that is. So we can describe where it is.

Rockies Skiing And Pass Prices<br>

Sunshine Space And Easy City Life<br>

SPEAKER_00 0:11

Yeah, it's so funny because the United States, we have four time zones. We've got Pacific, which is California and Washington, Mountain Time Zone, which no one knows about, and central is like Minnesota, Chicago, Denver, I mean Dallas. Uh that's central. And then everything east of that is like pretty much the east coast. But we have like Denver is like the only thing in mountain time zones. I mean, we have some states, but that like Denver's the only like major city in mountain time zone. It's so bizarre. Um, so we are uh in the Colorado Rockies or in the the Rocky Mountains, which also goes straight up to Canada in Banff, which we just did a podcast on. Um, so the Rockies are amazing. And then so we're east of Yellowstone, um, but we have world-class skiing in Colorado, Vale, Steamboat, Beaver Creek. I mean, we we have so much skiing, and it it's like sick skiing, like amazing. It's only two hours away. It's and beautiful powder, and we get kind of spoiled. Like, I'm not gonna go unless it's a powder day, of course. So nice. Um, it is it's still expensive, like, but you basically for locals here, you want to buy a pass. And we even know some people that come here just for vacation and they buy the the pass because it's still because the pass, if you buy it early, it's like four to five hundred dollars. But if you come, one day is like 175. So it's insane, right? And you mean you do like just the half day, it's still like 120, but like what? Like, I just can't justify going skiing unless I have a full pass. Um, and you and then there's never like you think there'd be like some people would be giving away tickets, but there's not really a lot of like free tickets. There's a a few of the smaller mountains that have deals like for teachers and stuff, like called Loveland. Um, but most of them got all gobbled up by these big organizations. So that is one downfall. The skiing is expensive. And what I really love about Colorado, it's it's just not that populated and it's not that popular, right? Not everyone thinks, oh, I gotta go to Colorado, right? Yeah, but we get over 300 days of sunshine a year. So it's kind of like California. It's it has the same, I call it the California sky, but you can see more. Like we just drove to the airport the other day, and our whole drive to the airport, you pretty much can see 20 miles, 40 miles in either direction. There's just not, it's just not that built up.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

And that's, I mean, we were in California recently, and like California, you you can't see that much land at all unless you go up really, really high. Yeah, so there's a lot to do. So no matter what your budget is, there's plenty, plenty to do. So I mean, in downtown Denver is is really fun, a lot of really good food, and we have every sports team. So if you're into sports, it's a great place to live.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

MBA.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

MBA, yeah. Great time at the minute. Tonight.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

It's tonight is a night.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Oh, I think it's happening right now. It's being recorded.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

Uh oh, yes, it is, yeah, yeah. Time zone. Yeah, it's happening. We'll be watching it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

So maybe we won already.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

Yeah, maybe a champions, yeah. For people who are listening, that is the basketball NBA. The Denver Nuggets are in the finals, and uh three went up as we speak, but could be four one up. Um but we don't know yet.

Sports Red Rocks And Few Bugs<br>

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Yes, yes. Um Jokic is our amazing player that everyone, but they they're a really great team. He he got followed out and they still like were just kicking butt. It was amazing the other day. But I'm a so-so sport fan, just more because my family members are. But I used to play basketball in high school, so I I I get it, I understand the sport. But Colorado, so we have a sports team, we get a lot of concerts here, yeah. And we have the amazing Red Rocks amphitheater. I don't know if you've heard of it, it's famous. Pretty much most people in America know it.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Bill Bird. I think I watched Bill Bird there. Oh, yeah, it's on TV, not in okay, yeah.

Politics Safety And Why People Move<br>

SPEAKER_00 4:04

And it's literally Red Rocks, yeah, yeah. It's a natural amphitheater. And when you're at the amphitheater, I mean it's cool how it it all works, but then the views, you're like, oh my gosh, these are my views. This is insane. So I mean, it does rain sometimes, sometimes we get storms, but that's the only downfall. And another thing is so funny because like Instagram, I'm big on Instagram, you are as well. Um, you know, they're always like, This is what you see on Instagram, but this is real life. There's the bugs and the humidity and all this. But Colorado, I swear, like because of Instagram, I now appreciate Colorado more. And after like talking to people from around the world, we hardly have any bugs. We don't have any humidity, which sometimes is a bummer, it gets too dry, but nothing is ever stinky and wet, everything dries really fast. Um, we get all this sunshine, you know. Our disasters are snow, a lot of snow, but that's kind of fun because you get to shovel the snow. There's not really we did have a flood here in 2013, but that's like the 100-year flood in in uh boulder. We don't get tornadoes, don't get hurricanes, obviously. Um, don't really get earthquakes. I'm sure there's some, there's always some earthquake somewhere uh everywhere. Um, but for the most part, it's pretty awesome. We do the the guns are kind of a problem here, I would say. That's you know, that's a more of a society thing, not a nature thing. So that's more of a political thing. I think we need to get a little tougher on gun control.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

Is your state a red state?

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Just turned since I moved.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

I influenced it. It was a red state, and then all of a sudden, all the Californians started moving here.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

Oh, now it's a blue, and then it was purple.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Now I think it's pretty much blue.

SPEAKER_02 5:49

Oh, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Denver is blue, and the rest is like red. Oh, there's a lot, a lot of US states are like that.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

It's yeah, it's quite popular. I did interview someone who lives in Fort Collins, north of the state, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Yeah, yeah, just that's about an hour north of me. Yeah, north of Denver.

Local Town Tips And Lake Reality<br>

SPEAKER_02 6:03

And he loves it. He he lived in California as well, and he moved to Colorado, so he waxed lyrical about it. He loves it.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Yeah, and that's where we came here for the schools. Boulder has a really good school district, but once they graduate, we're like, I don't know if I need to stay in Boulder. I mean, Boulder is amazing, like such a great city. And like I go to these, like my Instagram hiking is everything's usually like 10 minutes from my house. I'm like, I don't drive an hour to go hiking, I just go in my neighborhood. Port Collins is close to the mountains too, and there's a bunch of smaller towns, Loveland, and then you don't want to go to Greeley. Greeley is like well, the farms are it's very stinky, but you know, then you can go farther south. Um, where the Red Rocks amphitheater is, there's a little town called Morrison. So cute. And that was gonna be one of my recommendations. Like, everyone goes to Estes Park in Rocky Mountain National Park.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

If you really want to hike and you want it structured and you want to know how many miles everything is in camp, Rocky Mountain's great. I mean, it's it's it's beautiful, but it's very, very crowded. And Estes Park is very crowded, and I think you need reservations right now. Um, but like just you can hike at the Red Rocks Amphitheater.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

Wow, I didn't realize it was there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Yeah. So that's a whole beautiful park and totally free, easy parking. And there's a little Qtown Morrison where you can like get your ice cream and you know, little mini donuts or whatever you want, little shops. So people love to do. So there's enough to do. I guess the only other downfall of Colorado, same as California, though, there's really no lakes. We have reservoirs.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

That's my question. Water. Are you near any water?

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Not really. I mean, there is like three reservoirs near me, but you know, only one can you actually like play in. And then, you know, the next town over, there's another reservoir, which we go paddleboarding. They have like moonlight paddleboarding, which is amazing. Um, but I grew up in Minnesota, you know, where there's a lake literally every turn. And everyone goes to the lake cabin on the weekends, but we don't have that in here.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

So the pros are amazing weather as well. You mentioned that. Uh, they've got amazing national parks, uh, 300 days of sunshine. Uh you've got international airport, so people come in and out.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

People it's like one of the biggest international airports. Yeah, we got I think direct flights to London. I've heard some other, you know, like even maybe Africa or something. I don't know. But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

Okay. And some cons would be winter is pretty mild, it says.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Yeah, it's pretty mild. It's like in the 40s, uh degree Fahrenheit. Um so like where I grew up in Minnesota, the average is like 15 to 20. That's cold. Like this is and we get like 50, sometimes 60 degree days, so it snows a lot, but it melts. So if you like that'd be the only reason I leave because I I'm not a fan of winter. I'm just like, I just want summer 24-7. Um, that'll probably be a while late. But it's not crowded. It's like yes, that's my went to Denver yesterday, and I'm like, what is the nuggets game on today? Because there was literally there was like one car, I swear, every mile on the freeway to Denver from Boulder. And then coming home, it was so empty. I'm like, where is everyone? But I think it's summer's hitting all the local people flee, and the tourists haven't come here yet. So I just think it's kind of like the shoulder season here.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

Is summer quite hot then?

Summer Heat Swamp Coolers Costs<br>

SPEAKER_00 9:20

It's hot, but it's it's wonderful hot. It's like 8590 and not humid. Ah, so it's very and the nights cool off because we're up at a higher elevation, so it'll get down like it's warm in the evening, and then like after you go to bed, then it like will drop below 60. And then we have these things called swamp coolers, it's really unusual. It actually is fan with water blowing through it that cools your house off. So it's very in, or it's very efficient because it's not an air conditioner, but you can't use this in a lot of climates because it blows water and you don't want your house to be more humid if you're living in a Florida, right? So, but it's so dry here, so it's kind of nice. So it brings the humidity into the house and cools the house pretty naturally. So it's pretty gene. I've never seen anywhere else. California, I've never seen that.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Okay. And as a state, Colorado, we're not like doing pros and cons. I've got a few questions. Is it like one of maybe the most affordable states to live in in the US? No, I would think not.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

No, that's the only other, that's the other downfall. It is kind of expensive. But if you if you move like more like towards the airport and then like farther north, it's gonna be pretty affordable. But I would say, like, one of my workers uh lives in Mississippi, and that is very affordable. And that is a really interesting. She tells me all these places she goes, like two hours away, she just went to this beautiful beach called Rosemary Beach. It's like us going up to the mountain. She goes to this Florida beach, not too far from her house, and it's not crazy expensive because it's Mississippi, right? No one knows of it, and it's very affordable and very beautiful. No, it's not like Kansas or Nebraska or Iowa.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

Okay, and the population is quite low.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Um, it's around six million, I believe. So compared to California, I believe it's like 29 million. So quite a difference. And uh, so yeah, we go to Costco, yeah, maybe there's three people in line. I used to live in San Francisco and you had to get to do you know where Costco is?

SPEAKER_02 11:22

It's our big like uh yeah, yeah, Got Ancanda, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

Um we'd used to have to gotta get there right at 10. So if there's only 10 people in front of you in line and we can move as fast as we could, you know, and it was always like you have to really be conscious of when you would go to stores and there wouldn't be parking. And here, like there's always parking, never like nothing, nothing's just ever crowded. It's just it's just easy.

SPEAKER_02 11:46

So if you went for like brunch or dinner, Vancouver is is a classic for this. There's always queues, you need to get the right time. I think California would probably be the same. But is uh Colorado or Denver, should we say, is it a bit more relaxed and you go at peak brunch time and not have to queue? Would that be fair?

SPEAKER_00 12:01

Yeah, you I would say most places that that I go, 15 minutes maybe.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Oh, right. Okay. So it's very easy.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Yeah, or you usually just go, oh, that's busy, let's just go here, you know.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

Yeah, to finish on the food and drink scene. I think US as a country is great for food, isn't it? But I guess each state has their own little thing. Is Colorado known for any particular dishes or or drinks?

SPEAKER_00 12:23

Well, we have a lot of actually like Mexican influence. So it's tacos everywhere, taco, taco, tacos. And I don't know if that's a trend everywhere. Um, but yeah, we've got really more California, like fresh ingredients, but I I would say we don't have as quite fresh ingredients as California, but that's where the influence comes from. And we do get a variety of food. You know, there's some Indian food, I don't think there's a great selection. Um, some a couple really good Thai brace restaurants, but I don't think we have a real good Asian influence. I'd say it's definitely more Mexican. Oh, and I have to just mention Casa Bonita. So have you heard of the show called South Park?

SPEAKER_02 13:04

Yeah, used to watch that back in the day.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Yeah, and that's still going on. It's been going on like for 30 years, you know, the animated um show. Well, they had an episode about this really kind of kitschy tourist trap restaurant called Casa Bonita, and that's where I went with my family when I was eight years old. And there's skydiver or not skydivers, uh, divers jumping into or diving into a pool in the middle of this restaurant, and there's just the gorilla that walks around, and then there's like video games, and and it's just humongous, and it was just this classic goofy place, and then it really the food was horrible. It's known known for bad food, but it's just somewhere you just had to go once kind of a tourist trap. But so they went to it on um South Park, and then pandemic hit, and it was really hurting, and it really needed a revamp. So, is it gonna make it? The South Park gentleman bought it out, renovated it for like, don't quote me on this, but like 10 million plus dollars.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

And I just went to the chef that is running that. He owns two other restaurants in Denver, so I wanted to check out his food. And I was it was like the best meal I've had for like fried plantains and these greens and this chicken with this amazing spice and this sauce and empanadas, and oh gosh, it was so to die for. And that's the chef that is going to be now running the new Casa Bonita. And I think that place is gonna be really hard to get into, but it's it's something so unique to Colorado, and it has so much history.

California Pros Beaches Tahoe And Diversity<br>

SPEAKER_02 14:36

So that's a great tip. Okay, that's brilliant. That's great for Colorado. So California, let's talk about the pros in California. I'm sure a lot of people are gonna recognize these, but yeah, far away.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

Yeah, so California. So I started out in Los Angeles, so I did the Southern California scene. I used to go to San Diego a bunch and Santa Barbara, and then I moved to up north, moved straight into San Francisco, and then I lived all around the Bay Area over 11 years up there. So California is great in so many ways. It's the weather, right? It's just always comfortable, right? And it's never, it's really never too hot. I mean, I think they get like a week where the winds come from the east and blow, like opposite. They call them offshore winds and they get really hot, but it's very, very minuscule. And you have skiing. A lot of people don't think of that. Um, really great skiing in Lake Tahoe. And then in Southern California, there's mammoth, I think is the mountain. You have skiing there. Um, they do have a few lakes. It's kind of like here, not a lot of lakes. They have this thing called the Delta, which is a waterway. We used to go water skiing all the time. And, you know, beaches, endless beaches. Southern California, definitely amazing, amazing, beautiful beaches that just go on forever. So the beaches never feel crowded because they're just so big and so wide and they just go forever. Um, and lots of surfing. So I love like getting in the water. Definitely need a wetsuit. That's what's the bummer about California. Hawaii, you don't need wetsuits, it's Hawaii. The water is so warm.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

So California seemed really cold after living in Hawaii.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

I just like, and then I had um when I first moved to San Francisco, I'm like, I can't live here, it's too cold. Because San Francisco was in this fog belt. Yes. And there's like a quote the the coldest winter ever spent was a summer in San Francisco, Mark Twain or something. Right. Uh, because the fog rolls in like every day. So the morning is actually kind of nice, and then it gets cold. So you always bring a sweater versus like it's cold in the morning and you take your sweater off in the afternoon, like most places. So California, yeah. That of course, because it's so populated, there's more diversity. Yeah, that's something about Colorado, not a lot of cultural diversity. We can use a little bit more of that for sure. Yeah. Um, uh California, much more diverse culturally, a lot of jobs, a lot of industry, high-tech, um obviously Hollywood, entertainment. Yeah, and I really appreciated when I lived there. Like I would go to the beach to watch the sunset, you know, and I would look at Golden Gate Park and I would walk or bike. We would bike across Golden Gate um or the Golden Gate Bridge to go to the other side to Sausalito, and there's tons of amazing mountain biking. Do you like mountain biking? I wasn't big into hiking out there. Um, what did I mainly do? Probably mountain bike the most. Go to the beach and run. I used to run quite a bit and do triathlons and things like that.

Where California Gets Cheaper Inland<br>

SPEAKER_02 17:40

And what is the like the cheapest part to live in in terms of California, would you say if there is such a thing?

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Away from the beach. So yeah, the farther inland you go, well, that's where it gets hotter.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

And that's where like the farming's done. So it's gets really they call it the valley. So even in Southern California, there's the valley, and it's definitely the farther in the valley you go, the cheaper it's gonna be. But it's still nice, it's warm, and and by the ocean, it gets pretty cool at night. And so if you like warm weather, you actually would prefer to live inland and you just go to the beach every so often because then it's just warm all the time, inland.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Um, except this year it was an anomaly. I think they actually had winter in Los Angeles, but yeah, the whole Bay Area. Why don't they just say they're from San Francisco? Because San Francisco's tiny, tiny. It's on a peninsula, which is on this bay, and then there's tons of other towns with much greater population in that area. So you don't ever want to just say you live in San Francisco, so that's what they say, the Bay Area. So there's certain areas towns in the Bay Area that are a little cheaper. I think Fremont is not as expensive and you know, still Silicon Valley, um, or you go farther up north and you know, the more out of the way you are. But there's some beautiful, like if you don't have to commute, like go up to Santa Rosa in Marin County, like that's quite a bit away. It's probably almost two hours to San Francisco, and it's still gorgeous. And then you can drive to the ocean, you know, through these mountain ranges. I think there's gotta be places up there that are pretty affordable. So that's like towards Oregon State, yeah, going up or else towards Sacramento. So you go like northeast of San Francisco, Sacramento is the capital, and the suburbs of Sacramento, which is just you know, it's just suburbia, yeah. Kind of kind of boring, not as much going on. That's more affordable for sure. And we actually have a friend that so even north of Sacramento, like you're gonna go to Lake Tahoe, that's where everyone goes to ski. There's a little town called Nevada City, and he bought for the price of his probably 2,000 square foot house in San Francisco, he bought like 10 acres of land with like three or four buildings on it, with a little blueberry farm. Wow, you know, so you can definitely get, and he's trying to get us to start a commune out there with him. We all have those plans like as we get older, like, hmm, why don't we just live and we have like a nurse that comes on, you know, in case anyone gets sick, and then we can kind of like watch each other's property and share each other's pets, but we have our own private place and we all can take turns traveling the world.

California Cons Crowds Prices Crime Policies<br>

SPEAKER_02 20:24

So okay, and the cons of California. So I'd imagine the cost, uh, and it's crowded.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Crowded, yeah. It's so funny because we just went there for spring break to visit more colleges for my daughter. Everywhere we went, we had a paper parking 20, 20, 30 dollars, you know, whether it's two hours, you know, and then the gas is like double what the gas is here. So it's five, six dollars a gallon.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Oh wow, huh?

SPEAKER_00 20:50

And everywhere you go to eat. I remember growing up in Minnesota, when you went to dinner, there was always a salad included and then a main meal. In California, you get a main meal. Oh, you know, you want a salad. Oh, it's another seven dollars just for the salad. And like, okay, it's like just but going out to eat for two or three people, a hundred dollars easy. We don't even drink alcohol with that. That's just like just the food, you know, it's like so expensive. I would highly recommend cooking or quick serve, like Chipotle and Subway or something to make it affordable while you're traveling. Um, but yeah, going out to eat is so expensive, you know. And then of course, the more inland you are. Um, but yeah, the roads are so crowded, and I think there's tolls now. People are on the roads 24-7. And I asked, I just talked to someone the other day that moved to San Francisco. He lived in, he used to live in Alameda, which is this little island in the bay. Um, I don't know what it was used for, it's like a port island. And he said he just moved to San Francisco. I'm like, oh, with you know, San Francisco's not doing so well society wise right now with the crime.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Crime, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Yeah, yeah, the crime is getting really bad. Said, you know, has prices gone down? He's like, oh no, not at all. Like, really? So, like, I don't understand. I guess people just want to because there's not as many jobs there either. So it's not like you have to work there, but it is such a beautiful city. Like you could just entertain yourself by walking around the buildings and the views and the piers and the ballpark. And it's just and they have this beautiful um Golden Gate Park, which is kind of like you know, Central Park in New York. I'm sure in New York it would just slap me for saying that, but say, you know, kind of idea. It's just very big, right? And it's got a couple museums in it and a botanical gardens, and then streets where people rollerblade. And it's it's just very fun. And it's you know, you're in nature, right in the middle of the city. And there's a little lake there that people have their little electric, you know, boats, these little sailboats, remote control sailboats and stuff. So it's it's very fun. And and it's very kind of hippie dippy, and that's the other thing. Like it's very progressive and you know, very woke, and something that I was surprised. Oh, yeah, we were somewhere and they're like, no styrofoam. We were actually at a food truck and they had styrofoam. I'm like, this is kind of weird. They're like, Yeah, the styrofoam is actually out loud, outlawed in Colorado. They said, if you had it, you can finish it up. But I have a hard time believing this food truck has had it for like two years. They're getting it on the black market, yeah. But they like, I don't think like you can't have straws in California, if I remember, definitely some of the towns. So they're like doing stuff to help, and they have this ambition to be totally electric cars or to have electric cars by like 2030 or something. And I I don't know how they're gonna handle that because their electric grid has gone down a few times just in the middle of summer with the air conditioning, and like, well, how are you gonna charge up all those electric cars? And you need electricity for that. So we'll see what happens. In Colorado, I don't think electric cars are gonna be you know as popular because they're they're really hard to drive in the mountains. Um, they burn through electricity really fast. Fast. Yeah, I don't know the science of it, but um, it's it's a little bit more challenging. Let's just put it that way.

Choosing Between States And Hawaii Factor<br>

SPEAKER_02 24:14

Okay. So you live in Colorado now. So if we're to compare the two as a summary.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

Oh, yes, it's so hard. Yeah, because I think when I'm in San Diego, I was just there. I'm like, oh man, I want to live it because the flowers, yeah, and the beauty and the smell, the salt. I think I would move back to camps.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Oh, you would.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's like the cost of living, but I could live in a smaller house and you know, I I've always lived in cities. Could I deal with the crowds? Yeah, you really it really depends. Like if the main reason is because I love summer. But if it didn't love summer, Colorado, I mean, I get away with like a three-season jacket almost all year round. The the little jacket I wear in the winter in the summer to kind of keep me warm on a cool day, I wear that. That's my winter jacket too. Like, you know, unless you're going up to the mountain skiing, then you got a bundle up.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

But and maybe can I chuck in Hawaii? Would that change your mind or not?

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Yeah. Yeah. If if we didn't have to worry about like visiting in the future many, many years from now, grandchildren, right? Um, that's what I've like, I won't want to live too far away from my my grown children. That would be the only reason I won't live in Hawaii. But if both my children end up in California, Hawaii is a very, very strong bet because it's only a five-hour flight to California. But if like, but if my family ends up moving to the East Coast, you can't live in Hawaii and see them on a regular side.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Oh god, no.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Just too far.

unknown 25:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

How long would that take from Hawaii to New York, for example? It must take I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

It's a long time. Well, you have well, from here to Hawaii, it's a four-hour time difference. So you have that right off the bat.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

And then it's seven hours. So it's basically 12 hours, 12 hours to get there with the time difference. Or like, or 12 hours to get back and maybe less to get there with the time difference. But yeah, seven, seven hours of traveling, and then probably another four to the east coast, 11 hours of traveling. And it all depends if you have a layover, too, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Yeah, that's crazy in the same country. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

I know, versus yeah, Europe. You can go seven countries in 11 hours.

Wrap Up And Travel Plans

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Yeah, even even from here, Korea to Vancouver is only 10. So if you're doing Hawaii to New York, that's still longer in the same country than going from East Asia too. Oh, that's yeah, that's oh wow. Yeah, that's crazy. Mental. Oh my gosh. That's great. Uh, I don't know much about Colorado, so I've learned a lot about that. Quite excited to share that. And I plan to visit, hopefully, we'll see on our road trip uh this summer.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Okay, yes. Let's go get some dinner in Denver.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

Because you you bought in New Mexico, right? So in theory that that could work.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Yes, you yeah, to get New Mexico you gotta you gotta drive through.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

That's uh on our list. So we'll see about that.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Okay.