Where Next? Travel with Kristen and Carol
Where Next? Travel with Kristen and Carol
Vancouver, Canada - Travel with James
We are so excited for Part 2 of our interview from our fellow podcaster friend James of https://www.instagram.com/wingingittravelpodcast
In this episode we spend time with James at his current residence of Vancouver, Canada. Highlights include Victoria Island and Whistler. We also we hear where he will go next! Interview completed May 2022
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Hi, welcome to our podcast when Next Travel with Kristen and Carol. I am Kristen and I am Carol, and we're two long-term friends with a passion for travel and adventure. Each episode, we interview people around the globe to help us decide where to go next. In today's episode, we are visiting with James, the host of Winging it travel podcast, who is a global citizen originally from the UK who shares his story about living in Vancouver, british Columbia, in Canada, and where his travels will take him next. We really appreciate you joining us today and we would love if you could support us by simply following, rating or reviewing our podcast in your favorite podcast app. Enjoy, let's head over toouver and so you've been there how long?
Speaker 2:three and a half years wow, that's a long time yeah wow, that's a long visa. Well, we've got permanent residency so we can stay here for five years now oh, got it okay. Yeah, that's right you said, yeah, two years in a work visa, or two and a half years on a work visa, and then one year Well, it's not even a year yet, but yeah, nine months on a PR card.
Speaker 1:And when I was just in Maui, people said, oh, five hours to Hawaii, like, oh, yeah, like direct stop to Hawaii. What that's awesome, just like you, Kristen, right, just direct flights, almost just as easy from Vancouver. Okay, so this is one we know it's a great central location for, I guess, probably going to somewhat Asia, hawaii, the US. So what, what do you like and what are some of your favorite things about living in Vancouver?
Speaker 2:the nature is obviously stunning because we've got mountains to the north and if you just kept going, this could probably get even more more grander right the bigger they get. So I love the the mountain feel and even if you just kept going, this could probably get even more more grander right the bigger they get. So I love the the mountain feel and even if you go east towards the rockies which I'm doing the next two weeks um, that will be like even bigger and better. So that's like you got either east or north. Both got mountains right, but on vancouver city it does overlook mountains, so there's mountains overlooking it and there's like three or four ski skiing resorts up there as well.
Speaker 2:So whistler whistler's classic yeah, grouse mountain, um, yeah, and a few more. And then I also love the islands, the gulf islands, love going to there. So on the way to vancouver island you can stop off at these small little islands that have their own little ferry. So that's awesome as well, especially in the summer.
Speaker 1:I have family in Vancouver so we used to go there.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:They had a boat and we'd go to the islands and they lived in the mountains and their deck was just. You'd see trees everywhere. And then one of their neighbors had a kind of a mountainous steep hill and they built a roller coaster so you'd sit on it and go down oh wow, yeah, and then we drove to Banff. Are you going to Banff?
Speaker 2:yep, yep, gonna stay in Canmore, which is about 40 minutes in Banff, I think yeah, that is gorgeous such a cool area yeah, and then there's a beautiful lake I can't remember.
Speaker 1:Lake Moraine yes is it turquoise water isn't it Lake Louise or Lake? Yeah?
Speaker 2:there's two Lake Louise and Lake Moraine. They're both brilliant, but I think the one on Google is probably Lake Moraine, I'd imagine the one I think it's.
Speaker 1:I'm looking at pictures real quick to see. I think I went to Lake Louise.
Speaker 2:Louise has got the big hotel by it. So that's it.
Speaker 1:That's Lake Louise, yeah yeah, okay awesome lake yeah and then what's the other one? I didn't go to that one. How?
Speaker 2:do you m-o-r-a-i-n-e okay, it's popping up now we.
Speaker 1:Maybe I don't we had to have gone there because it's like, are they?
Speaker 2:close by, yeah you get shuttle bus between the two yeah, okay, yeah, I don't even remember going.
Speaker 1:I think we just did lake louise, which is crazy this isn't is this been vancouver proper no, this is like eight hours drive east, so this is like in the oh okay, yeah, we drove with my aunt's family, us it was like a whole bunch of us and then we got a hotel in between the two and it had, um, water slides, and then we kept driving and then stayed in Banff. But what I remembered also, which was so cool, is, um, when we went, the storms that we we came across, they had purple lightning bolts.
Speaker 1:I just oh wow, the lightning bolts were insane, but, um, the beauty in Vancouver is is amazing, but I was there as a in junior high, as a kid, so I don't really. I just remember some iconic pictures and that's it yeah, it's still the same.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's changed. I think maybe it's a bit bigger in terms of like the city has ever increased and right, it's quite an expensive place to live, so people are trying to buy properties like for any price. Really, it's kind of getting out of control. But yeah, as a city it's very expensive yeah, you're saying the most what in North America. I think has to be one of the cities, surely?
Speaker 1:how much are houses there or rents?
Speaker 2:I don't think you'll get a house in metro Vancouver for less than 1.5 million dollars maybe okay I think if you want a house that's got a semi like decent size, you have to go out, so maybe like places to abbotsford or coquitlam or even probably even fairer east than that. I don't know how people afford it really in general, but um, so many people here rent until they're in their 50s and 60s right, my next-door neighbor is in the 70s and they rent mid-70s, so I don't think they could ever afford anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, that's crazy. So you said outside of Vancouver there's more reasonable. Any suggestions of places to live, if someone wanted to live there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, a quick map. I reckon it's probably about an hour in terms of a drive, so from downtown. So let's see what people are buying, I see.
Speaker 1:Abbotsford, Surrey, Chilliwack.
Speaker 2:So a lot of people live in Surrey, because obviously it's south of that river, fraser River and a lot of people live in Richmond, which is a bit further west towards the airport. But Coquitlam and Port Coquitlam this is the area now that people are going out to because there's anything they can afford. But they're really nice because it's by the mountains and by the lake, by Port Moody, so it's quite a nice area. The water there is quite nice, but it's quite far out.
Speaker 1:It's the water there, so it's quite nice, but it's quite far out. It's about an hour, maybe hour and a half. It can even be two hours you know, I don't know like in, in terms of like rush hour, oh okay, is it? How's? The weather there constantly rains really. Yeah well, it is green and there is a lot of water.
Speaker 2:I guess it's got to come from somewhere yeah, there was a heat wave last year where it got to like mid 40s. That's a heat wave as in like Celsius. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I was like I'm off. I thought you were talking in the winter or something.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, it's that the problem with Vancouver is nowhere's got air con. So if you've got a bit of money and you're renting, make sure you get an apartment got air con.
Speaker 1:so if you've got a bit of money and you're renting, make sure you get an apartment with air con because you're going to need it. Yeah, okay, wow, all right. So what is the big draw?
Speaker 2:it's just a lot of culture yeah, half the population is asians or has heritage as asians, so you're going to see and eat and hear a lot of asian influences oh, okay that's great for food.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that what I remember at all was a kid oh really, oh wow, yeah, yeah, it's half yeah oh, I didn't know that about vancouver just give you like an idea of numbers.
Speaker 2:My team at work. We've got I think it's 10 of us in my little team and they're I think half of them. I think there's like one chinese, two indian. It's very, very diverse and I think only the director is like what you say, like white canadian, if you like, but the rest, rest of the people are so diverse from vietnam and all this, all these places in china and yeah, it's just got that whole mix of melting pot of culture, which is great, like you can really meet different types of people and understand as well, like yeah where they're coming from, and stuff so different than norwich, where you're from right oh, the opposite nice and then also there's so much water, like if you keep going up all the water is.
Speaker 1:Is this a big sailing community? Do you do? A lot of people have boats, is that?
Speaker 2:yes, so many boats, especially the harbour near downtown. Yeah, yeah, they'll probably sail out to vancouver island if they want to go across there, or even before that, to bowen island or even to the other part of the mainland. Because if you look on your map right um, you'll see a place called gibson's. So you've got bowen island and it says gibson's and langdale and roberts creek and that is part of the mainland. But you can't drive there because it's too far up to go around.
Speaker 1:So people just get a boat across because you'll spend hours and hours and days going up, then back down again and there's no roads, so you have to get a boat across interesting when I was in my 20s it'd be like this kind of vagabond lifestyle and some people would go I'm gonna go fishing in alaska for like three months and they make all their money and then they travel. The rest of the time is is there a big fishing community in vancouver for people that want that lifestyle, or you got to go to alaska for that?
Speaker 2:or you know, I reckon, if you go to the islands and vancouver island, yeah, 100 huge fishing communities okay yeah, I reckon alaska be different level, but um yeah, there's definitely a community here, for sure okay, and then uh, so is it easy to get to vancouver island?
Speaker 1:doesn't, look, do you have to have a boat?
Speaker 2:no, to get ferry across there's two there's two ferry terminals so you have a choice. But again they get booked up pretty quick so make sure you get an early, but yeah they probably go that, I don't know. It must be like four or five times a day, maybe even more so what are some of the must-dos?
Speaker 1:if you're just visiting vancouver, saving for a week?
Speaker 2:must-? That's a great question. I would go to Bowen Island. I would walk up the Chief, which is like a mini granite rock. It's about 600, 700 feet. Great views over Squamish. That's a must do. I would probably go up to one of the mountains Maybe Grouse Mountain is a close one, okay. Or if you want to go up the sort of like sea to sky highway which goes towards whistler, you can stop off by squirmish and get the sea to sky gondola which goes all the way to the top of the mountain and get unbelievable views up there and it's like walks up there.
Speaker 2:so I think that's that's worth doing okay, gotcha yeah, so if you're a skier and you're going in the season, there's like three or four mountains to choose from mount seymour, cyprus, grouse, whistler so you definitely would want to get a day pass for there and go do some skiing so I always hear whistler, but I don't know the other ones.
Speaker 1:Is there one that's? Is Whistler like the hot one to go to, or is there? I think it's all good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess Whistler's known because it's like Banff, right, but not as nice. But if you're in the city Grouse Mountain, cypress Mountain as well they're probably the two local ones that people go to. That would probably be best in terms of time.
Speaker 1:You probably mm-hmm, um, that would probably be best in terms of time. You probably get a bus there and do your skiing and snowboarding and come back down in time. Yeah, yeah, and then it looks. I'm just looking at a map I panned out and canada has like it's all. It's kind of interesting. I don't know if british columbia is like is that its own? I want to say a province versus a state.
Speaker 1:And then Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec. Looks like those are the main ones. Oh, and then Newfoundland, Newfoundland and labrador labrador, yeah, yeah got it. It's like a littler one, and quebec is gigantic quebec's the biggest yeah, it's huge. Okay. So yeah, because um vancouver's part of british columbia and their products, okay, excellent I want to say cut off, but it's a bit like on its own.
Speaker 2:A little bit about british vancouver, I think they've got their own, like it's probably the most diverse place. I reckon in canada, but also a bit far away from anywhere else. I mean Calgary is what a 10-hour drive, so an hour and a half flight. But yeah, it's kind of its own little thing. I reckon on the West.
Speaker 1:What made you pick Vancouver? Did you look at all of Canada?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it gets too cold In the winter. You are in such a cold like way below zero for like five months of the year and I can't deal with that. I would not either. No, I'm out even though it rains that bad. I would rather have rain than constant snow and that being that cold all the time. Yeah, I can't do that.
Speaker 1:So that's from from alberta on. Is that british columbia and that's?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, it occasionally snows, but it never gets below freezing, really yeah very rarely, whereas like toronto gets like minus 24 or something. It's like no, no chance you made a good choice. Yeah, for sure I would live in the other places in the summer, though, for sure like I'll go east for summer 100, yeah, yeah, I do a lot of wake surfing.
Speaker 1:It's um surfing boats and there's a guy and I want to say he's probably from alberta, I don't know he's, he's not in dc and um.
Speaker 1:I fly to san diego to surf um with a school crew down there and he comes down there to surf a lot because his family or his parents also live nearby. But it's interesting because he was showing me pictures and he had, like from head to toe, this wetsuit around his head. Like usually you'll get in the water and you know pull your rope up and go, but he doesn't do that. He stands on the deck in the back as it's going and then just kind of goes on the wave. And you know, pull your rope up and go, but he doesn't do that. He stands on the deck in the back as it's going and then just kind of goes on the wave and comes back. And that is because the water's so cold in Canada. And then he showed me this picture and he's literally on snow, going off onto the water, um from the bank and going on. So yeah, lots of snow and very cold there and I would not be wake surfing there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not good in water, so that's not my scene. I'll tell you. What you should do in the water, though, is whale watching. That's guaranteed pretty much all year round.
Speaker 1:Really Year round.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would go to Vancouver Island. If you can as well Go to Tofino on the West Coast. There's like a surfing community there, so you'll love that surfing, yeah, and it's like a chilled out like, almost like Australian surfer the vibe and then do a whale watching tour on the island as well, because even north of the island there's like places you can stay, like these little lodges in the middle of like this like little lake, and then like goes out to sea and like these orcas like swim past. It's like that idyllic, um, kind of animal watching really. But yeah, that's worth a visit Vancouver.
Speaker 1:Island.
Speaker 2:Can you spell it?
Speaker 1:Tofino yeah.
Speaker 2:T-O-F-I-N-O.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to Seattle this summer, so we're going to go to, like, bainbridge Island and then it looks like there's a lot of land getting west of that. I wonder, like there's a lot of land getting west of that. I wonder if there's good whale watching if you make it to the coast off of Seattle as well, I mean it's not too far away my mother would love that. Oh my gosh, thank you for that tip, yeah you can also get a boat from Seattle to Vancouver Island.
Speaker 2:There's a little border thing on the boat, maybe before and after. I don't know which one it would be, but passport, I assume required yeah, yeah, you just yeah, possibly possible. But you can get to victoria, which is the capital of the island.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, I see that okay by the way, that's my sister's name I googled tofino surf and um it says chris hemsworth surfing in tofino there you go. It has some good pictures. It looks like it's got some really good surf there, shockingly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's like the last frontier, isn't it? Of the West, so I think it's probably got some good waves, yeah.
Speaker 1:It looks pretty good, at least the pictures, for sure. Yeah, like you know, hawaii, well, not Hawaii.
Speaker 1:Okay, I take that definitely not the, the color waves, but the waves itself look, not bad, not bad yeah, yeah, not bad, it's not bad and then it looks like, you know, vancouver is kind of like on that whole western fault all the way from san francisco. Is there earthquakes do? I was just thinking today like I hit something in my bathroom, like colorado, we don't have to worry about securing everything into the wall, like in san francisco, like you had a bookshelf, they had to make sure it was secured to the wall in case for the get a little tremor, um any of that going on in vancouver they keep talking about the big one, right, so that is always there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we do like these six monthly drills at work. I've never experienced earthquakes here. I have in wellington in new zealand, but not here. So, yeah, I guess they are about, but I've not experienced any in three years. So I can't say no, because it probably will happen tomorrow yeah um, just beware that you do get like warnings on your phone like, oh, I don't know, just like watch out, or I don't know like they're trying to do some training for you.
Speaker 1:Whatever, you just roll. I've lived with them my whole life and it's nothing, yeah, well, okay, let me rephrase that. I take that back. We had one really big one in Southern California that was very big and took down a freeway and did a lot of damage, and then a very big one in Northern California. So there've been like two really big ones and then we've had others that have been, you know, big, but usually they're just little rollers and just kind of like you shake and then it's over.
Speaker 1:So yeah, when's the last time you felt one, kristin, like how often do you have like just a little mini one?
Speaker 2:a year a year or two.
Speaker 1:Okay, not too often. Okay, it's not often but.
Speaker 1:I mean there's, there's little ones and they're, you know, maybe someone's at home or I'm driving, so I didn't even know you, you know, so they're, they're pretty mild, they don't do a lot. But we have had, you know, one major one in the early nineties in Southern California. And then I want to say before that was another one in Northern California that took down the Bay Bridge. I think we did have a big one a couple of years ago too. That was pretty substantial, but I don't, I'm sure it did damage but Not life-changing. That one with the Bay Bridge was life-changing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then so, james, so you are going to be starting to do some more traveling, so I'd be interested in hearing more about your next plan.
Speaker 2:So plan is I'm actually off to Spain in a few weeks. Oh lovely yeah, because we're going to do a walking holiday there. But that's just a little holiday.
Speaker 1:Before COVID, how much were you traveling per year?
Speaker 2:Well, I've always done that like work for one or two years then go, okay, I think before we got to Canada, I yeah, we left new zealand but we've done five months, four or five months from new zealand to here via home. I reckon I've probably been working travel probably since 2013. So what? Maybe on average, half of that half travel, half work half work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, pretty much about that, yeah that, honestly, is so huge, because people retire and then you know, they say, oh, I'm saving up to retire, and then you get older, you know, and I think it's so great to do it yeah, exactly when you're young and you can do things and um, I think that's what carol and I are really interested. We're still.
Speaker 1:We're still vibrant and young, I would say absolutely, and you know, not not retiring but kind of I I don't know, you just live life the way you want now and not waiting, really just kind of making it work it's tough because there's different ways.
Speaker 2:Right, there's no right or wrong way, but our situation is. We're approaching mid-30s and no, no house, no kids. So that kind of makes it easy for us to save money and go right. But if you've got some kids or you've got a house or you're married and you're settled somewhere, it's tough, like you can't maybe just do that. But people need to decide what they want. You know, like you can't have it all, like we couldn't have a house, kids and child I think you could probably do that, but maybe that'd be a struggle.
Speaker 1:Yeah we've actually, uh, interviewed someone. Um, they went to italy, they have a house here and they just went up and moved for six months. I mean, honestly, some of covid allows that a little more, because yeah, I'm remote working remote school, you know. But yeah, yeah opened up um which the digital nomad, and what we're doing um with where next.
Speaker 2:But I think everything's great whatever works for you whatever works for you, yeah, yeah, just just go somewhere, right? So that is, you just gotta figure out what, what is right for yourself exactly, and everyone's situation is different. Um, but I've just like, obviously made a choice to maybe prioritize travel, probably over most things, which is, yes, maybe not what some people want to do.
Speaker 1:So that's what I need to decide but yeah it's just what's next where are you going to go?
Speaker 2:in spain first yeah, in june, with me and a couple of friends are going to walk someone the camino, the santiago trail no, I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 1:Where's that?
Speaker 2:I did it oh, really, oh wow, then I have a map on the wall.
Speaker 1:It was two weeks. I feel like they walked.
Speaker 2:There's like 20 trails, but the main one is from France to almost the northwest coast of Spain. Right, it can take two weeks if you're fast, but a lot of people do it in two to three months.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, maybe they didn't do that one. I don't know. There was one that was two weeks and they have a map of it. Now I'm not going to check. I'm there yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, our trail is really short, it's like 120K.
Speaker 1:So where do you stay? They're like huts or you camp.
Speaker 2:You. Actually all these towns on these trails are kind of built for it, so you do have places to stay on the route. But because of your walking, right, if you go really fast you probably get somewhere different. So maybe someone who's really slow, they have to like stop, maybe like 10, 10 miles before you, right, but all these different villages have like places to stay, whether it's I think they're called albuquerque. What's it called al albuquerque, spanish albuquerque?
Speaker 2:it's like a hostel oh, but only for people who walk on the trail I just love this is walking the trails.
Speaker 1:It's not like are you like in the mountains or you just yeah, some of them are yeah, yeah or they're like some trails, just like through little towns, through fields and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, through fields. There's some trails that are flat through fields and along the coast, but there's some a bit more mountainous. If you start in france on the main trail, you're gonna have to go around the pyrenees and then start.
Speaker 1:You know, get around that first and then walk in spain amazing, you don't have to have the backpack full of all your camping gear.
Speaker 2:Huh you just small, like snacks and that, yeah, yeah, you just get town to town and like this yeah, yeah, I can't believe like how come.
Speaker 1:We don't have this here because everything's so spread out in america. At the east coast they should be able to do that well. I've heard of, like the Appalachian Trail, what's the big one in California? Pct, pct, yeah, it's like a small John Deere, john Deere Trail. What was that, would you say?
Speaker 2:it's like a small PCT okay, like not quite as hardcore. It's way easier in terms of staying somewhere, seeing people, pharmacies, shops, whatever you need, but I'm probably a bit flatter. But yeah, it's a bit like that, but in spain it says 30 days it takes.
Speaker 1:Well, it says how long does it take to walk the camino to santiago? 30 days yeah, I'm looking at. I'm just going to photos to see Could you do half of it and then just like bail and take an Uber, whatever they call it in Europe?
Speaker 2:I think you need to do 100K. Once you do 100K, you get your certificate in the main town. So, yeah, you get your stamps and your little passport or whatever you use to book stuff with, and then that proves that you did your trail. And then, yeah, I think you need to do 100k's and then you're entitled to a little certificate at the end I think my parents did this and actually it's funny.
Speaker 1:I'm clicking on and I see some um people my parents age doing it yeah yeah yeah, a lot of people do it if they have stuff like that in other countries, in italy and switzerland or up in sweden, or is this like more of a? Yeah, I don't think in Sweden uh, they have the Camino there's.
Speaker 2:There's one in Portugal and there's one in Italy. I think they're part of the same group.
Speaker 1:That's definitely possible, and then Portugal yeah, portugal, and my daughter really wants to go to Italy and I'm like maybe next summer so I can talk her into doing that, because it's not like you don't have to be like a hardcore, like hiker.
Speaker 2:It's not like doing a 14 or.
Speaker 1:OK when she says 14, do you know what that is? A 14 or no, that's what I thought. I now know what that is and actually, because it was right before Carol, I was listening to this extreme runner and they do. It's a high peak, it's a 14000 foot peak and people run it yeah but then oxygen and all that crazy stuff, yeah yeah, that's uh wow yeah, but we're starting at a mile high right.
Speaker 1:So we're at 5, 5 000 here in 58, 58, 20 right in the colorado and then but usually when you go to 14, you're going to drive, you're probably going to start at least 8 000 feet, but still that's climbing 6 000 feet. When you hit 10, I start to feel a little dizzy and nauseous. I'm like, wow, give me some, give me some oxygen. I haven't done a 14 or I've done, like rocky mountain national park, which maybe you'll hit when, if you, you know, climb your rockies there. I've gone to like 10, 11 000, and when we ski we sometimes go to 10 11. That's when I start getting a little nauseous as well.
Speaker 2:I think I've been 14,000 feet. Let me check. What's that meters? Oh yeah, I've been that high. Yeah, yeah, I've been higher than that.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then what like what? The Himalayas and Mount Everest. That goes to like 28,000. I think that's like double.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's double. It's a different level, right? No?
Speaker 1:interest whatsoever. No, thank you. You know, it's my relative. I have the flags. Actually they're in Sweden. Of course I'm first generation here, but he put together the first expedition to Mount Everest.
Speaker 2:Oh wow Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he gave me the flags.
Speaker 2:That's the person I'm trying to get on our podcast, my cousin, my dad, that's mental, yeah, and that's that's so good you got, you got to get them on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, totally I know. I've been trying to reach him and he's doing stuff right now.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I'll catch him. That's amazing. But yeah, 28,000 feet, that's that's's. I thought 14 000, was that behind me my photo, that's uh, annapurna. So that's what? 8 000 plus 8 000 meters right, so, and where's that? The pool, yeah, it's on poon hill, yeah, which is about 4 100 meters or something what did?
Speaker 1:what did you call it again? What is it?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's a place called poon hill, but behind me is annapurna. It's a. It's a 20 20 day hike. Yeah, you can do that trail if you want to go a bit hardcore oh, that sounds awesome, we done five days. That was it.
Speaker 1:That's enough yeah, yeah, 20 days is high.
Speaker 2:They're a long people do it twice. We met who did it twice. They've done it once, loved it that much, they're doing it again. Wow, mental.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure. Oh, my gosh, this has been so much fun, james. The time already flew, flew by. I definitely want to keep in touch. You know, it's really funny. It's yesterday I had I went to a store and it was just like a shopping store. I don't shop anyway very often, I just Amazon it and you know just kind of. I know a lot of people don't like that and I apologize, but just the ease and my lifestyle is there and but just there was no one in the store and nothing you know. And then you have to go and see where a size and it's not there or there or something. It's just like everything's so at your fingertips now and lifestyles are just so mobile now. There's just everything's changing so fast and it was changing, but COVID sort of put a big rocket on it in terms of growth and change.
Speaker 1:So I just feel like this is just the beginning and it'll be very interesting to see where we continue to go in the next, you know, year or two, and from there so would love to support what you do and I love to hear. I'll definitely be listening to your podcast too, for sure yeah, thanks, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2:We should have a chat offline. Yeah, see what, uh, see what we're thinking, because I've got some ideas as well.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, that would be good. Okay, round two, not date, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2:Okay.
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Speaker 2:Have a great weekend, thank you.
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